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22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Sep 17th, 2008 at 10:45pm
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I understand that the original wincherster Hi and Lo walls were chambered in 22 WCF. And, that these are the same shape cartridges as the smokeless cartridge we all know as the 22 Hornet.
   My question is--Can we shoot factory 22 Hornet ammo in original 22 WCF Hi and Lo wall rifles? I understand that the 22 Hornet creates rather high ,c.u.p units, pressure.
  
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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:01pm
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There are a number of reasons why not to do this. First the caveat about shooting cartridges different then the caliber stamped on the barrel as well as the fact that the .22WCF uses larger diameter bullets and the smaller .22 Hornet bullets would not shoot so good probably. The good news is that you can probably use .22H brass to make .22 WCF ammo by expanding the neck and using the correct sized cast bullets.
  

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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:02am
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Dimensionally, the .22 WCF uses a .228" bullet, while the Hornet uses either a .223" or .224", depending on what bore diameter was used.  You might have to get a custom bullet mold made and a custom expanding die plug to match your bullets.  And, of course, a sizing die that doesn't take the brass down to hold a .223" bullet...

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Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:57am
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CH4D  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);  has the reloading dies for this caliber at $78.25 and NEI (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); has a bullet that should be suitable. 228-60-GC #7.

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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #4 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:32pm
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Wasn't the 22 WCF rim thickness also thinner than the Hornet to keep from using factory Hornet ammo in 22 WCF?
  
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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #5 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:45pm
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MI-shooter wrote on Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:32pm:
Wasn't the 22 WCF rim thickness also thinner than the Hornet to keep from using factory Hornet ammo in 22 WCF?

Might be, but I've worked on a couple of .22 WCF Low Walls that headspaced just fine with Hornet brass.  One thing my ammo collection is lacking is any original WCF brass to be able to measure...

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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:55pm
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I looked through my box of old cartridges and found a representative .22 Hornet as well as .22 WCF cartridge.  I didn't mike the rims but it appears the shoulders are significantly different.  In the attached picture, comparing the two cartridges side by side, the Hornet is on the right.  Terry
  

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Re: 22 WCF ??? Hornet???
Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 11:09pm
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Thanks for the photo, Terry.  It sure looks like a few thousandths of an inch difference in the rim thickness.  One thing to be aware of is that with rimmed bottlenecked cases, the shoulder location can vary quite a bit from batch to batch or between ammo makers, and still be within spec.  It's not critical as with rimmless cases, since the headspace location is on the rim, not the shoulder.

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