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Jan 22nd, 2010 at 9:02pm
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I saw a used 38-55 1885 winchester (Miroku) for sale the other day. I was wanting one for target shooting both smokeless and BP without a lot of recoil and also to maybe deer hunt with it. I see they are tapped for scope blocks.  Can any one comment on the accuracy of these guns in this caliber?
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 11:10pm
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My Miroku 1885 Winchester High Wall in 38-55 is very accurate. To see two targets I shot from a sitting position over crossed sticks, go here and see post #13: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Here is a full size small turkey that we shoot at 150 meters the same way. I fired six shots at it which would be the number of turkeys this size we'd shoot in a match. I use Pedersoli's USA431 Creedmoor rear sight with a Hadley disk and the USA462 tunnel sight on the front. I'm sure the groups would be better with a scope.

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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 1:37pm
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For the first time this week I was able to make a trip to the range. I tested 5 different 38-55 loads in the 1885 Winchester High Wall using Lyman 249 grain bullets. Then I shot some of my 320 grain RCBS bullet loads.

This is what I got at 200 meters using the RCBS bullet. The piece of cardboard is 6.2 x 10.4 inches and, as can be seen, closely approximates the body of our 200 meter ram. The bottom of the cardboard is aligned with the belly line of the ram. Shot from crossed sticks, every one was a solid hit. The bullet lying on the cardboard is the same RCBS bullet as those that I shot.

My 1885 Winchester High Wall made by Miroku is very accurate IMO.

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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 3:31pm
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thanks for the reply
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 7:05pm
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This is ever so slightly off topic but I have a Miroku B78 in 45-70 and the bore is like a mirror. It's incredibly easy to clean and isn't offended by undersized bullets. Are the bores plated? Are all the Miroku bores finished the same way?
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 7:47pm
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Ramsgate wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 7:05pm:
This is ever so slightly off topic but I have a Miroku B78 in 45-70 and the bore is like a mirror. It's incredibly easy to clean and isn't offended by undersized bullets. Are the bores plated? Are all the Miroku bores finished the same way?


My 38-55 Miroku Winchester also has a mirror bore but it's not plated that I can detect. After 199 cast bullets down the tube, I cleaned the bore last night. It was quick and easy. Not one bit of evidence that it's leaded anywhere.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:14pm
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What is the twist of the Miroku 38-55?

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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:31pm
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beltfed wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:14pm:
What is the twist of the Miroku 38-55?

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It's 1:18. Groove diameter is advertised as .376" and that must be close as I size my bullets to .377" and get great results.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:28am
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18 twist.  And this works for the lyman 335gr bullet out to 600yds???
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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 11:12am
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beltfed wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:28am:
18 twist.  And this works for the lyman 335gr bullet out to 600yds???beltfed


I'm afraid that I can't comment on that. My RCBS bullet weighs 320 grains and the greatest distance I'm able to shoot on our range is 228 yards. I wish I had a longer range to shoot on but there's nothing available locally.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 9:09pm
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Guys,

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rifle being discussed here is the Winchester limited series with 28" octagon barrels and straight grip stock with crescent buttplate.  Am I correct?

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Description: USR 1885-LTD SERIES 38-55
Manufacturer: U.S. Repeating Arms|Winchester
Model #: 1885 Limited Series
Type: Rifle
Finish: Blue
Receiver: Blue, Drilled & Tapped
Stock: Walnut Straight Grip Checkered,Schnabel Forearm
Sights: Marbles Blade Front & Rear Tang Mounted Peep
Barrel Length: 28" w/Semi-Buckhorn Rear Sight, Rifling 1-18
Overall Length: 44.5"
Weight: 9 lbs
Butt Plate Recoil Pad: Crescent Butt Plate with Strap on Top
Additional Features 1: Octagonal BBL, Bore Diam's: Lands .368 Grooves .376

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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 10:59pm
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Wayne, that is the rifle being discussed. I've replaced the sights on mine with Pedersoli tunnel front (USA-462) and vernier scale Creedmoor rear (USA-431) with a Hadley eyepiece. I use the post with aperture insert.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 8:27pm
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You may want to check the twist yourself. I just bought a new Win. 38-55 TH (Miroku) from Davidson's right before Christmas. In a 2001 article in Handloader about the Browning Traditional Hunter 38-55; they said it was a 1 in 15" twist so I decided to check for myself. Mine measured 1 in 15". It miked .3777" groove diameter also. I guess it doesn't hurt to check those things for yourself. Enjoy your rifle. I don't have brass yet, so I just have to wait.  
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 12:06am
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Whip_McCord wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 8:27pm:
You may want to check the twist yourself. I just bought a new Win. 38-55 TH (Miroku) from Davidson's right before Christmas. In a 2001 article in Handloader about the Browning Traditional Hunter 38-55; they said it was a 1 in 15" twist so I decided to check for myself. Mine measured 1 in 15". It miked .3777" groove diameter also. I guess it doesn't hurt to check those things for yourself. Enjoy your rifle. I don't have brass yet, so I just have to wait.  


Whip, my 38-55 is one of Davidson's "Limited Series" and they show 1:18 twist with a groove diameter of .376" on their "Gun Genie" listing. I size my bullets to .377" and accuracy is excellent. There's no leading at all with my load that gives 1619 FPS with a 320 grain bullet.

The next time I clean it, I'll try to check the rate of twist. Whatever it is, it stabilizes my bullets fine to at least 228 yards which is the longest distance our range permits. With Lyman 248 grain bullets, I'm getting groups under 1.5" at 100 meters but haven't had a chance to check them at longer distances.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 5:38pm
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beltfed wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:28am:
18 twist.  And this works for the lyman 335gr bullet out to 600yds???
beltfed

I have the identical barrel and I've measured it several times, as have a couple of my fellow BPCR shooters and we all get 1-in-15" for the twist. And, yes.......... it shoots the 330gr (casts at 335gr for me) very well out to 600yd. Not sure why folks seem to think it is 1-in-18" without actually measuring.

These barrels are as accurate as any from Badger or Douglas or whomever.
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